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Members of the public tell city of Rome to make more cuts instead of raising tax rate
by Diane Wagner
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Layoffs, school consolidation and still-deeper cuts to services were among the alternatives residents offered Tuesday to the Rome City Commission’s proposed hike in the tax rate this year.

“Your revenues are down modestly, compared to some of the rest of us,” business owner Roger Wade said.

A dozen or so city residents registered opposition during the first of three hearings required before the city’s tax rate may be raised to 26.15 mills from 24.42 mills.

The difference would be an increase of about $67 on a $100,000 home, Rome City Manager John Bennett said, but attendees said any amount is too high.

“We’re in a time of crisis; ... some people are hanging on by their fingernails just to survive,” Mike Hadaway said.

The bulk of the increase would go to the city school system, which is facing a $1.4 million cut from the state on top of a decrease in the tax digest.

Terry Jones said city and county elected officials should take a more aggressive approach to eliminating duplicated services, starting with the school systems.

Consolidating city and county schools would result in a system of about 15,000 students, he said, and an administration that could be cut nearly in half.

“You’d save $100,000 right off the bat, just by having one superintendent,” he said. “I think the time has come.”

Randy Smith, a founder of the Rome-Floyd Tea Party, told the City Commission that “overtaxation by local, state and federal authorities” is responsible for the recession.

“Your belts simply need to be tightened further,” he added.

Most of the speakers said they believe the boards have tried hard to cut back on spending. But they also agreed with teacher Cheryl Garner, who said “radical steps” and creative thinking are needed now.

Salaries and benefits are hard to cut, Wade said, but he and other business owners have already been forced into taking those steps.

Garner also suggested consolidating North Heights and Main elementary schools, which have a combined 500 students.

Mayor Pro Tem Duane Reid, who chairs the city finance committee, said the suggestions are being taken to heart — although many have already been considered.

“We’re going to look at every option,” he said. “But we have a responsibility to do what’s in the best interest of the community. And for every person who says ‘cut services,’ there are two or three who would be adversely affected.”

Hearings also are scheduled for 11:30 a.m. on July 13 and 6:30 p.m. on July 19, after which the board will adopt a rate.

Commissioner Jamie Doss said the amount of public input so far is unprecedented.

Also on Tuesday, the board set a $1,500 rental fee for the new ECO River Education Center river museum at Ridge Ferry Park and limited rentals to no more than two a month.

Commissioner Kim Canada said the money will help offset expenses, but the facility is primarily for education and tourism.

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SirDude
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July 08, 2010
I ship a little over 2,000 items a month on my internet business using USPS. Like Mipoco, I found it was the cheapest/most efficient form for me to use. All this bellyaching over one group or another is for the birds. Find out what is best for your purposes...use it...it's that simple. If you prefer to be stupid and not compare, you'll not stay in business long.
Mipoco
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July 08, 2010
Well tedb3rd as long as you understand that you are no longer required to use the USPS. Have a wonderful relationship with FedUp and UPS. But I'm sure you are one of those that love to gripe about government services but probably don't use a book of stamps in a year OR have shipped anything by any other carrier. In other words, you gripe. So do the right thing and do not use the USPS any more. How could I possibly be unhappy with the USPS when I make so much money from their lower rates and FASTER service. tedb3rd wrote: "I've had some items shipped to me this way and it's cheaper but takes longer.. like about 5 days longer compared to straight UPS or straight FedEx." Yep and that EXTRA TIME is due to the lower rate and is ALL on the other carriers. The USPS deliveries those the next trip out after FedUp and UPS brings them to the local post office.
tedb3rd
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July 07, 2010
Mipo, so let me answer my questions based on your response (in respective order asked) WITHOUT 'beating around the bush' just a short/simple/accurate answer: No. No. [no response]. Can't respond b/c no experience. I was aware that UPS and FedEx sometimes use USPS as a 'step' in the delivery process. I've had some items shipped to me this way and it's cheaper but takes longer.. like about 5 days longer compared to straight UPS or straight FedEx. If your self-employment business goes belly-up, you certainly have the skills necessary to work for USPS as a backup. You obviously know how to pack a box and print a label based on your comments about your delivery volume. And you certainly have the ability to present yourself like a true USPS worker with the unprovoked "STFU" statement you made.
Mipoco
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July 07, 2010
For those of you that think FedUp and UPS are so great I just found this out. Both FedEx and UPS take certain packages to the local post office in the morning and the mail carrier. Those are scanned in by the USPS and BOTH FedUp and UPS pays the USPS to do the LOCAL delivery of certain ones. So if you find a UPS or FedUp package in your mailbox or somewhere the USPS may have delivered it.Neither of those two like having to deliver in the country. _______________________________________________ tedb3rd my own packages history of shipping and receiving is my "lost mail' rate for those agencies". Every thing I ship is by Delivery Confirmation. I normally ship thousands per year. So far in 2010 through the first half (January through June 2010) tracking shows that 100% delivered. No one has complained about speed or anything missing using the USPS. On the other hand of the very few packages that were shipped by UPS to us this year so far NONE were received directly from UPS but we did find one down the road by a neighbor's mail box. FedUp is even worse. But let me say here now that we did once get many packages each week by UPS. That UPS driver retired and the service nosed-dived. That's a UPS problem not my problem and is not going to be my problem. ________________________________________________ tedb3rd wrote: "What about the waiting lines at post office compared to a FedEx or UPS drop off locations?" 99% of my USPS business is done on the internet. That includes postage paid, labels printed and scan sheet printed. A mail carrier then picks it all up DAILY. If I used UPS or FedUp I would have to driver round trip about 20 miles to a drop off point. I love the USPS service. _____________________________________________ tedb3rd wrote: "...sounds like you work for USPS too huh?" No, I work for me. Self employed.
tedb3rd
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July 07, 2010
Mi-popo,

Did you figure in the subsidies (tax dollars) given to USPS to 'reduce' their cost for smaller packages/letters? Did you check the 'lost mail' rate for those agencies? What's the price difference on larger/heavier items? And also... What about the waiting lines at post office compared to a FedEx or UPS drop off locations? I've used all three services at various times thougout my life. Never had a bad experience with any. Well, except USPS-one time a package arrived 8 months after shipped, on other occasions... package contents damaged, got other people's mail (so that means they've probably gotten mine before)... I'm sure the others aren't perfect... But I guess I should just "STFU" (as you say, sounds like you work for USPS too huh?!) because it's UPS and FedEx that are in a financial crisis.. not USPS. So USPS has it all right and the others are just.. Well, lucky I guess.

And regarding how the bridge was funded, here is an excerpt from the article: "Sitterding said the bridge cost $2.8 million, which was provided by a combination Department of Transportation funds, corporate donations and money from the city of Rome and Floyd County."

Dept. of Transportation = Government, aka TAXES

Corporate donations = corporate donations

City of Rome = Government, aka TAXES

Floyd County = Government, aka TAXES

Even if it were paid with fed or state grants, the money still comes (ultimately) from the same source... And it's not the magic money tree libbies! It's TAX REVENUE.

Tom, you're not reading the posts or you're just skimming over them or you're just one of the OBLIVIOUS I mentioned before. But the point several people are trying to make is: wasteful spending on inefficient and unnecessary services is.. WASTEFUL SPENDING.

waldon
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July 07, 2010
Totally agree with the need to consolidate city and county gov't! Why do we need two of everything? Has anyone analyzed exactly how much could be saved as a result of consolidation? Yes,some people will lose jobs,but millions have already lost theirs.

Regarding the SPLOST,if you didn't go vote against it, you voted for it! Why did our "leaders" choose a special election instead of putting it on the November ballot? They knew it would not have passed ! Just look at the district that voted heavily for it.The majority of citizens in Floyd Co. Do not benefit from these pork projects.

WAKE UP PEOPLE and get to the polls!
kcq3115
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July 07, 2010
I agree with more internal cuts and belt tightening. One area is vehicles. I have noticed a number of employees riding around in large suvs, including big Toyotas, as well as large pickups. One in particular, a bluish one with a female driving. I have seen here at the main post office several times and several weekends ago with a teenager eating ice cream turning towards Coosa Country Club. Maybe there is a reason for no govt logo on it, however it has a govt tag. I know some segments of the govt need large vehicles. Are we buying or leasing? Take home vehicles, especially out of county should be address again as well, again I know there are exceptions.
themorrigan
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July 07, 2010
Nice work Mipoco. I get tired of hearing people complain about government services that don't turn a profit.

I am totally against running a government like a business. To me, the point is to chip in and "pay wholesale" for things we all share.

I'd hate to have to hire someone to pave the piece of road in front of my house, or keep a firefighter on retainer just in case. Or pay FedEx to deliver a letter just for me.

Sure, some people get more out of the social and physical infrastructure than others. Business owners depend on roads a lot more than the people getting WIC for their babies, for example.

And then there are the side benefits, such as having your neighbor's garbage picked up instead of letting it rot next door.

Sometimes the "profit" is that our world is safer, prettier and more convenient.

Mipoco
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July 07, 2010
Good news tedb3rd you don't have to wait until the USPS goes out of business to send a letter by FedUp or UPS.

I checked all three for the lowest rate to the West Coast for a letter:

FedUp: $10.35 - 4 days

UPS: $23.44 - 2 days

USPS: 44 cents - 3 days First Class

USPS: $4.75 - 2 days Priority Mail

Since you can start using FedUp immediately and I know you want to do the right thing after talking so bold here I'm holding you to it. To save face I trust that you will start today mailing everything by FedEx and no longer use the USPS or otherwise STFU.
ssrusty
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July 07, 2010
http://rn-t.com/view/full_story/3476780/article-New-pedestrian-bridge’s-name-provides-link-to-Rome’s-histor---Local-New?

It says near the end that it was built with funds from a grant. I thought all along, being a transplant to Rome, that it was SPLOST that funded the bridge. Guess I was wrong.
tedb3rd
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July 06, 2010
Mark-Yes, I did vote--didn't have to do absentee ballot. I am stating the obvious with hopes of shedding some light for the OBLIVIOUS. Romanitian-Good idea. But good ol' politics gonna' make that hard.

It would cost more than 45 cents to FedEx something, true. But if I wanted a better guarantee it would arrive, I'd have to go with UPS or FedEx. USPS sucks to bad that TWO MAJOR companies were able to get founded and grow to what they are today. And the employees... When was the last time you saw a USPS (government worker) running to/from the truck, sweating, to deliver packages faster? Nope. And you know which companies have a better chance of delivering retirement benefits to the dedicated employees? I'm betting on UPS and FedEx. Wow. Imagine that. A business model for profit and benefits for hard working employees. Why would we want something like that in government? Efficiency? Cut the crap that doesn't work? Make people work hard but reward those that get the job done? ...I must be crazy or something.

bdogs
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July 06, 2010
Yes Ted. Wasted money is wasted money too. They seem use that as an excuse. "o that was ok, it was SPLOST."

And I have to agree with Romanitian. Why does our community have three Chiefs? Are none of them qualified if they don't have the other two present? I wonder what the local community would save with a simplified structure. Do we really need three police agencies?
Romanitian
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July 06, 2010
Balancing tax rates vs. public services is always a difficult proposition. While I think Rome/Floyd County does a much better job than most cities/counties, there is definitely room for improvement. A tax increase in this environment is irresponsible when there are obvious areas to cut expenses. Consolidating the county/city school systems and police forces could deliver the same level of service with reduced spending. This is a no-brainer. I have 3 elementary schools (1 county, 2 city) within 5 minutes of my house, and both city and county police patrol a road nearby. Let's get rid of the duplication.
tedb3rd
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July 06, 2010
I understand it was paid with SPLOST. But wasted tax revenue is still wasted tax revenue... Doesn't matter if 'comes' from state tax, income tax, federal tax, ad-valorum tax, social security tax, sales tax, gas tax, SPLOST.... All those paths lead to the same source: Your wallet.

Now we have to have SPLOST for some things that should be funded through the 'regular' taxes... SPECIAL PURPOSE should be for 'extras' like tennis courts, parks, etc (things that are nice to have) when the 'basics' have been paid for. Government should not get to the point when SPLOST is needed for basic emergency services (like police and emergency communication)...
coosatown
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July 06, 2010
tedb3rd, my sentiments exactly. Our elected officials must be held accountable for expenditures just as every american family.Government operates on the premis that it can go into your wallet or purse at will.We, the American people have operated on the buy now pay later premis. Guess what Government? The wallet and purse is now empty!!!
Romegirl79
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July 06, 2010
I think the pedestrian bridge was paid for with SPLOST funds which has nothing to do with the 1.4 million dollar cut from the state. I think the pedestrian bridge is a waste of money but if it is funded with SPLOST monies then the voting taxpayers approved it.
tedb3rd
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July 06, 2010
The city schools are facing a $1.4 million cut? Well, let me ask a question: How much was that pedestrian bridge?

Reid says for every cut there will be, "two or three [..] adversely affected." Well if taxes are raised, it would be more like EVERY taxpayer / homeowner affected.

As a society, we've embellished on things that were not essential. When it was 'feast', we ate and burned cash to cook the meal. Now it's famine and nobody wants to settle for anything less than prime rib. We can't keep doing the same thing.. raise taxes, become less efficient, raise taxes, become less efficient, raise taxes, do something with $ that's not needed, repeat, repeat.

Face it: The situation is going to have to suck for somebody. It might be you. It might be me. The longer we wait to 'suck it up', the worse it's going to be for everybody. It's like an infected wound that's not going to heal itself. More taxes is like a bigger band aide... It will cover all the ooze and discoloration but underneath it's still there and getting bigger. The best we can hope for now is that only ONE OR TWO generations has to suffer to get out of this mess. If we keep up with the same garbage, it will be many more generations.

The moral to the story for your children is: Go get the best freakin' education you can get to increase your chances of HAVING a job. Don't assume that the government should, will, or CAN provide everything for you cradle to grave. Don't buy stuff you don't NEED and can't afford. Always save a little for hard times. And most importantly, vote Republican.

If the government ran itself like responsible citizens run their own lives/families, then the situation this nation is in right now would not be as severe as it is.
RealEstateMystic
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July 06, 2010
Our dual school system is ridiculous and anyone standing a mile away can see it's a major expenditure we can't afford.

tullock
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July 06, 2010
Thanks to the speakers for standing up for us taxpayers.

Granted this is small potatoes, but given the budget squeeze I wonder why the city (or the state or county) is replacing some perfectly good road signs. There are several on Turner Chapel Rd. and on North Ave. that have a new sign standing right next to the old sign.
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