Gingrey displaying copies of hefty health care reform bill
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Rome s Janet Byington, who works in Gingrey s Rome office, delivers a copy of the health care bill to the Rome News-Tribune on Friday. (Charlotte Atkins, RN-T.com)
Rome's Janet Byington, who works in Gingrey's Rome office, delivers a copy of the health care bill to the Rome News-Tribune on Friday. (Charlotte Atkins, RN-T.com)
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The staff of Rep. Phil Gingrey, R-Marietta, delivered copies of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s 1,990 page health care reform bill that she introduced Thursday to newspapers and sites around Northwest Georgia on Friday.

You can view the bill online.

Gingrey released the following statement about delivering the bill:

“I have spent the last 10 months trying to share my perspective, as a physician with over 30 years of experience, with my Democratic counterparts. My constituents and millions of Americans across the country have also spent the last 10 months trying to make their voices heard by the President and the Democratic Majority. This bill proves that the Democrats just don’t care what practicing physicians — and the American public — think.

“I want my constituents to have the opportunity to read this legislation and decide for themselves. In the bill text, they will find the word ‘tax’ 214 times and orders 42 separate studies, in addition to Medicare cuts, public funding for abortion, and a $1 trillion cost.”

Copies of the bill were delivered to several locations, including the Rome News-Tribune and the Rome-Floyd County Library.

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Capitol G
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November 03, 2009
@ Realestate: I understand quite well that the federal govt. has its place. One place it shouldn't be is in healthcare! If they get in the healthcare business, what's next? Telling us what we can or cannot eat? This is my body damn it! What I say goes. Not some hack in DC.

You wrote: "Since you have absolutely no faith in the government, I'm surprised you're even able to sleep at night, given how vital a functioning federal government is for national security, infrastructure, fiscal policy, and thousands of other responsibilities too numerous to mention."

You named the very things the Obama administration has done NOTHING about!

@ voter, mipoco, wadsworth: You guys get the Big Stupid Idiot award for confusing Libertarianism with moderates, and independents. First graders even know the difference on this subject. Get with it!!!
RealEstateMystic
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November 03, 2009
CapitolG, debating healthcare reform -- or anything relating to government for that matter -- with you is impossible because you assume from the outset that the federal government is utterly hopeless and we had best rule it out of any solution to any problem. If the feds came up with a certain cure for the common cold I doubt you would have yourself inoculated. Since you have absolutely no faith in the government, I'm surprised you're even able to sleep at night, given how vital a functioning federal government is for national security, infrastructure, fiscal policy, and thousands of other responsibilities too numerous to mention.

For me, hope springs eternal when it comes to faith in government; and for its many failures, the track record of ours isn't that catastrophic. Whereas for you and others on the right, it seems, it's always Black Monday.
anonymous
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November 02, 2009
Voter,

Which do you prefer?

You sure seem to have lot of time on your hands.

Maybe you should quit hanging around bars with the trailer trash or are you looking for a man?
Mipoco
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November 02, 2009
Definition of libertarian - 1. former GOP member ashamed to admit voting for Bush. 2. a closet republican. 3. former disgraced republican.
Wadsworth
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November 02, 2009
Definition of libertarian - 1. former GOP member ashamed to admit voting for Bus. 2. a closet republican. 3. former disgraced republican.
Capitol G
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November 02, 2009
Realestate, here you go. First of all I'm a libertarian not a republican, but if the GOP wakes up, here's my "to do" list, off the top of my head.

Implement the Fair Tax, and bring back money and jobs that have gone over seas.

Reduce govt. spending.

Reduce the size and power of govt.

For Gods sake help our troops.

Quit punishing success.

form a program that helps poor people who want health insurance, instead of forcing a huge tax burden on everyone.

Drill our own oil and tell OPEC to kiss our a$$e$ goodbye.

Take the money for the war on drugs and help people with drug addictions instead of prison.

These are all things that will get the economy back on its feet, unlike making up numbers like our current administration does.

Now your response to "mercy" was mighty high horse of you. Cut and paste or not, it's fact. I see you managed to get a jab at FOX news. So typical of a lib. It has been known for thirty years or more that there is not enough money for these programs to work.

You wrote "Re Medicare: Did you hear what people were yelling about (and still yelling about) in the town halls last summer? The majority of protestors are themselves Medicare beneficiaries who seem ready to shoot anyone who modifies their benefits."

No not true. They're yelling about the medical rug getting pulled out from under them. There are a lot better ideas for health care than this. You won't here about them in Obama's media.

I have a question for you. Why do you want a healthcare program from an institution that has failed at being cost effective at everything else it has done? (republican and democrats alike)
Mipoco
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November 02, 2009
RyanM wrote: "This family member is unemployed and living off of his monthly government check, and food stamps."

We have a unemployed family member living off THREE gubmint checks but no food stamps. Makes too much for food stamps and free cheese.
RyanM
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November 02, 2009
A Facebook quote from a family member of mine this morning--

“”Well its MONDAY time for all those hard working Americans to go to work, and pay those Taxe's ,So Obama can go on Vacations and have a good time. Oh what a change he is spreading the wealth around.””

This family member is unemployed and living off of his monthly government check, and food stamps.

RealEstateMystic
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November 02, 2009
Nice cut and paste job there, mercy. I've seen this pile on many a chatboard; the least you could have done was use quotation marks, or least attributed it to "anonymous."

Anyway, while the government-sponsored entities you list have had their problems over the years (or centuries), they have largley succeeded at the tasks for which they were created. Re USPS: Do you hand-deliver your own mail? Re Social Security: Do you know anyone who turns down their SS check? Re Fannie Mae: Ever bought or sold a house? If so, there is a 95 percent chance you could not have done so without Fannie. Re War on Poverty: I suppose you were asleep FIFTEEN YEARS AGO when welfare was abolished. Re Medicare: Did you hear what people were yelling about (and still yelling about) in the town halls last summer? The majority of protestors are themselves Medicare beneficiaries who seem ready to shoot anyone who modifies their benefits.

In short, knock government programs all you want, but there are a lot of people out there -- many of them no doubt avid viewers of Fox -- who must think they work pretty well. Besides, you conveniently overlook the fact that until recently, this country was running a SURPLUS, while still maintaining all of the above, cash flow-positive or not.

I could go on, but unless you can produce an original argument of your own -- rather than recycle somebody else's, word for word -- I would feel like an idiot to do so.
mercy
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November 02, 2009
Here is proof that the Federal Government has failed at every major program both in effectiveness and in its fiduciary responsibilities to the public. Do we really want to give them 1/6th of the American economy?

US Postal Service etablished in 1775- had 234 years to get it right; it is broke

Social Security established in 1935- had 74 years to get it right; it is broke

Fannie Mae established in 1938; had 71 years to get it right; it is broke

"War on Poverty"- had 45 years to get it right; $ 1 Trillion per year transferred to the "poor"; it hasn't worked and our entire country is broke

Medicare and Medicaid established in 1965- had 44 years to get it right; they are broke

Freddie Mac established in 1970- had 39 years to get it right; it is broke

Trillion of dollars spent in massive political payoffs called TARP, the "Stimulus", the Omnibus Approriation Act of 2009.....None show any signs of working, although ACORN appears to have found a new source: The American Taxpayer!

Cash for Clunkers- established in 2009 and went broke in 2009!

So, with a perfect 100% failure rate and a record that proves that "services" the Feds shove down our throats are failing faster and faster, you want Americans to believe the Feds can be trusted with a health-care program that dwarfs all of the above programs COMBINED!

When will people learn that the government can not solve any of our problems. When we abdicate our responsibilities, the vaccum is always filled by the most inept, most corrupt and most ineffective organization known to man....the political machine!

So long America, It's been great.
Mipoco
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November 01, 2009
CapitolG wrote "Do you seriously believe that Obama, Polosi(sp), Reid and all these other guys on Capitol Hill are going to have this same government insurance, wait in the same long lines?"

There you go again, just naming Democrats and again that would not be limited to them but would include Republicans. Standing in line or sitting in a waiting room is totally different that who picks up the tab.

Locally it is the same thing. I've patronized some big name doctors and dentists but have NEVER seen even a local big shot (politician or business person) sitting in a waiting room, NEVER. That is even though I in fact know they use the same medical practice. Also never saw one showing up for an appointment. Maybe they come in through the back door.
RealEstateMystic
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November 01, 2009
CapitolG: Take a breather from arguing against universal health care for moment, and answer me one question. Let's start from the premise that the Republican party takes back Congress in 2010 and the White House in 2012.

What, exactly, would you like to see the GOP do once it has regained power?

I await your response.

Capitol G
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November 01, 2009
Realestate, This healthcare bill is going to cost more and more every year. Just like medicare. It will get abused just like medicare. I don't give a flying flip what OTHER industrialized nations have socialized health care. Ours has worked great, it's still the best in the world. That's what makes us a hell of a lot better than these other countries. I don't want to see this country stoop to what others have. If there was some program to help people who make under X amount of dollars with there insurance, that's fine. This whole opt thing will eventually get challenged in a court somewhere and will be forced on all of us. The GOOD insurance companies can't compete with a government insurance company because they don't have to show a profit.

The GOP has offered plenty of options, but their taking more than a weekend to put it all together, unlike these democrat HACKS who want nothing more than a good grip around our stones.

Why does this political party you embrace hate the very foundation this country was built on, free enterprise? Why do they keep making our dollar worth less and less?
RealEstateMystic
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November 01, 2009
anonymous: Just one question. If government-sponsored health coverage is such an offensive idea in theory and in practice, why is the United States the only industrialized nation not to provide it?
anonymous
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November 01, 2009
Mipoco wrote: Personally I see that health care is like water and air. If it is there then everyone has a right to it equally.

Then I guess you have no problem with the government forcing you to provide whatever you do for a living at whatever they decide to pay you and for whoever they decide that you provide your talents.

Nobody has a right to force a doctor to provide their services if they don't want to.

I know they have to treat anyone in a life threatening condition or risk losing their license but other than that they can just move on to the next patient to try and make a living.

I would not expect to have a right to have a plumber, electrician, roofer or anyone else come over to my house if I did not have a way to pay them. Also, I doubt the government is going to provide them to me either.
RealEstateMystic
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November 01, 2009
And anyway, I don't see what anonymous et al have to whine about. The public option now has an opt out clause for the states, which means that if red states (e.g., Georgia) don't want it -- and I can aleady hear the showboating on this one in the Georgia legislature -- those of us who live here can't access it. The result will be healthcare reform that more or less reflects the current partisan divide in the U.S., with the minority of Southern liberals basically held hostage on their native soil.
Mipoco
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November 01, 2009
anonymous wrote: "They think that they have a right to anything they want and don't have to pay for it."

Really hate to bust your bubble but a lot of Republicans are on the welfare rolls. Especially in this bible belt with all the right wing redneck bible thumpers.

Personally I see that health care is like water and air. If it is there then everyone has a right to it equally.
anonymous
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November 01, 2009
The public option is just another welfare program in disguise.

It will be set up with taxpayer dollars and no doubt it will be subsidized with taxpayer dollars because the premiums paid can't possibly cover the money paid out.

Why not just use the medicare program that we already have and let people buy into that and pay based on their income?

It would a lot less expensive than setting up the public plan.

I guess the democrats in washington think we are all dumb enough to not see what they are doing.

Come to think of it, most people can't see what is going on. They just hold their hands out thinking that the democrats really care about them.

They think that they have a right to anything they want and don't have to pay for it.

Mipoco
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November 01, 2009
2 lowly percent. Something to fuss about by insurance companies? And most of the 2% are those the insurance companies refused to take anyway. Geez.

"By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writer Ricardo Alonso-zaldivar, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON – What's all the fuss about? After all the noise over Democrats' push for a government insurance plan to compete with private carriers, coverage numbers are finally in: Two percent.

That's the estimated share of Americans younger than 65 who'd sign up for the public option plan under the health care bill that Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., is steering toward House approval.

The underwhelming statistic is raising questions about whether the government plan will be the iron-fisted competitor that private insurers warn will shut them down or a niche operator that becomes a haven for patients with health insurance horror stories."
Mipoco
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November 01, 2009
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091101/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_public_plan;_ylt=AnsJsUPxGA.mDoGCGBexTkis0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNjbmJiZXAxBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMTAxL3VzX2hlYWx0aF9jYXJlX3B1YmxpY19wbGFuBGNwb3MDNwRwb3MDNARwdANob21lX2Nva2UEc2VjA3luX2hlYWRsaW5lX2xpc3QEc2xrA2FmdGVyYWxsdGhlZg--

From the above linked article: "WASHINGTON – What's all the fuss about? After all the noise over Democrats' push for a government insurance plan to compete with private carriers, coverage numbers are finally in: Two percent."

Capitol G wrote "The same people who wrote this bill are exempt from it."

Totally not true. All federal level lawmakers, all parties, are under the same federal health care system. There is no Democratic or Republican health care system.

They proposed that citizens with no plan would be allowed under a like/same plan and as usual the Republicans screamed foul. That federal employee health care plan offers levels of choices with most insurance companies and many HMOs. Yes of course it does. After all what insurance company would refuse a federal dollar? NONE.
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